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Post by Wallace on Wed Apr 29, 2015 6:16 pm

One rather highly regarded writer that I just cant get into is Gene Wolff. Something deffo NOT THERE in his storytelling. I can't put a finger on it but I know his Torturor series (which is such a good idea and should have been fertile territory) just is lacking interest.
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Post by Wallace on Wed Apr 29, 2015 6:26 pm

Besides Gullivers Travels, the earliest Utopian novel (where the word comes from) was Sir Thomas Moore (Henry Viiis best friend who was beheaded by his order)..."Utopia".. Moore was Exchequer and wrote about a Properly Governed, Ideal society where - and this must have pissed cunt-Henry off - there are no leaders, no royalty, and not much word of religion either.


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Ever read the Utopia, "Islandia" by Tappan? That is a thick book.

Another famous Utopian wrote a book (of secondary importance to his masterpiece) called "Island". I forget the name just now.I think it was Huxley.
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Post by tubehtr on Wed Apr 29, 2015 6:29 pm

Wallace wrote:I have lots of Andre Norton fantasy in the collection.
But, truth to tell , I find it hard going - not cos its brilliant or complex, but it takes a long time to say something - rather boring stories.

Asimov I won't read.

Foundation is required reading.
His robot novels are pretty good, too.
And I have read very little Norton, just her two zero stone novels, young adult stuff that transcends her usual stuff.
Also had an interesting novel about a future war between intelligent cats and dogs, her being a cat lover, you can guess who won. Smile
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Post by tubehtr on Wed Apr 29, 2015 6:33 pm

Wallace wrote:Besides Gullivers Travels, the earliest Utopian novel (where the word comes from) was Sir Thomas Moore (Henry Viiis best friend who was beheaded by his order)..."Utopia"..  Moore was Exchequer and wrote about  a Properly Governed, Ideal society where - and this must have pissed cunt-Henry off - there are no leaders, no royalty, and not much word of religion either.


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Ever read the Utopia,    "Islandia" by Tappan? That is a thick book.

Another famous Utopian wrote a book (of secondary importance to his masterpiece) called "Island". I forget the name just now.I think it was Huxley.
Sounds like a society that a libertarian like myself could get behind.
Kinda ironic tho that most utopian societies are dictatorships, kinda sad too Sad
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Post by tubehtr on Wed Apr 29, 2015 6:37 pm

Interesting (and sad) fact, Asimov's son took his computer into the shop to get it fixed, and it was
full of child porn, which makes him a pedo and a dumbass. Sad
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Post by Wallace on Wed Apr 29, 2015 7:26 pm

You are incorrect to call 1984, Brave New World and Farenheit Wotsit Utopian novels. They are, of course, the exact opposite: they depict a negative future ; a future taking a wrong turn to over-science-dominance, of loss of humanity or of dismal bleak future and eventual annhilation of human race. These novels are apocalyptic or DYSTOPIAN. (Ever seen the film version of 1984 with Burton and John Hurt? That is one of the darkest, bleakest films made. It is anything but a rosy "utopian" novel-future where they put a ratcage onto the face of a good man.

As a matter of fact there are relatively few Utopian novels compared to the dystopian. And when it comes to film , there are even fewer. Why? Because humankind is a wicked fuck. Makers of movies and funders of movies know all to well that Utopias do not sell. Average Joe, MrFuck-humanrace wants stories about tragedy on mass scale, annhilation, worlds where miserable human fucks like himself are obliterated by mad androids and such. Death and destruction sells to misery-Fuck. Period.
All you are seeing on film & tv is THE OPPOSITE OF UTOPIA.

What was the last futuristic movie you saw where the aliens WERE NOT THE ENEMY but saviours of humankind? Nada. Nil. Rednecks wont tolerate that sort of cinema.
The closest we come to wise,amiable alien intervention on earth film is select short episodes of say Twilight Zone or Outer Limits or maybe Star Trek (but Im not certain there).
The only film that stands out in this direction is The Day The World Stood Still. And a standout novel of this sort would be Childhood's End where benevolent aliens FORCE the human race to stop killing each other and shitting their diapers.

A rare example of an early UTOPIAN novel is Butler's Erewhon.
LOST HORIZON , like Erewhon tells of an isolated UTOPIAN society IN PRESENT TIME. This is something film NEVER does nowadays.
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Post by tubehtr on Wed Apr 29, 2015 7:42 pm

You have the wrong definition of "utopian".
A Utopia is a planned society, meant to be a paradise but quite often turns out to be something else.
Every story I have read describes 1984 as "utopian", same with Brave New World.
The first, if I remember correctly was Atlantis, which did not turn out too well, either.
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Post by Wallace on Wed Apr 29, 2015 7:52 pm

Jackoff, Tubetop!


"Eutopia

noun
1.
an imaginary island described in Sir Thomas More's Utopia (1516) as enjoying perfection in law, politics, etc.
2.
(usually lowercase) an ideal place or state.
3.
(usually lowercase) any visionary system of political or social perfection."

Perfect, ideal world.
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Post by Guest on Wed Apr 29, 2015 7:53 pm

You could be describing the world of Snakeoil.

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Post by Wallace on Wed Apr 29, 2015 7:57 pm

HaHa! Yes indeed!
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Post by Wallace on Wed Apr 29, 2015 8:01 pm

Utopian/Dystopian
Psych/popsike

Whatever the designation.
Paradigm-changing tenets born of desperation and attention-seeking.

All boils down to Wallace attempting to rule the roost at a den of retardation, a hive of Moron.

What profits it one to be king amongst dupes?
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Post by Wallace on Wed Apr 29, 2015 8:15 pm

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Post by tubehtr on Wed Apr 29, 2015 8:23 pm

Wallace wrote:Jackoff, Tubetop!


"Eutopia

noun
1.
an imaginary island described in Sir Thomas More's Utopia (1516) as enjoying perfection in law, politics, etc.
2.
(usually lowercase) an ideal place or state.
3.
(usually lowercase) any visionary system of political or social perfection."

Perfect, ideal world.

That is the definition but not the reality.
A utopia is a product of the mind of man, and therefore cannot be perfect.
And therefore fails sooner or later.
BTW George Orwell is the pen name of an English intelligence operative who was also a member of the Illuminati.
1984 was basically a blueprint of theirs for the future.
Late on delivery, but with the advent of televisions with Cams, coming around Sad
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Post by Wallace on Wed Apr 29, 2015 8:42 pm

Wots The Illuminati? Sounds Jewish.
Is this sorta like "The Golden Dawn" ?
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Post by Guest on Wed Apr 29, 2015 8:47 pm

Wallace wrote:Wots The Illuminati?  Sounds Jewish.
Is this sorta like "The Golden Dawn" ?
Getting a tad stale Wallace move on if you please.

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Post by tubehtr on Wed Apr 29, 2015 9:01 pm

B. J. Voster wrote:
Wallace wrote:Wots The Illuminati?  Sounds Jewish.
Is this sorta like "The Golden Dawn" ?
Getting a tad stale Wallace move on if you please.
Some think the Jews are involved.
But they are not,  as the Illuminati is an organized organization Very Happy
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